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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by Electro » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:32 pm

TwinTurbo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:35 am
The process for having a car added to “The List” is quite onerous with one of the requirements being more than 200 vehicles imported/sold. Hence why it contains the popular “grey imports” which have the numbers but aren’t automatically included because they weren’t sold here by the manufacturer (or their agent).
Minimum 200 sold as new, through a manufacturer’s dealer network.
Or
"Grey Import" available on a large scale and recognized by Cams, at it's SOLE discretion.

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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by bdinnerv » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:10 am

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Ahh yes, what is annoying is my ST24 Mondeo apparently only sold 117 units in Oz, but the Mondeo has been sold since and still today but not in the V6 form. Surely this is allowed in IPRA, yes under 200 but its a regular car in Oz. Wonder if an exemption is allowed. haha I was told I could bounce the engine back to the 2.0ltr and race. Sigh.....
Was the V6 sold in another car that is eligible?
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by mikrace » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:33 am

bdinnerv wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:10 am
Blueblood Motorsport wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:13 am
Ahh yes, what is annoying is my ST24 Mondeo apparently only sold 117 units in Oz, but the Mondeo has been sold since and still today but not in the V6 form. Surely this is allowed in IPRA, yes under 200 but its a regular car in Oz. Wonder if an exemption is allowed. haha I was told I could bounce the engine back to the 2.0ltr and race. Sigh.....
Was the V6 sold in another car that is eligible?
That wouldn't help him run the v6 in the Mondeo, but if he has a built engine and really wants to use it, then maybe he could build a compliant chassis for the engine?
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by mikrace » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:38 am

Electro wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:32 pm
TwinTurbo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:35 am
The process for having a car added to “The List” is quite onerous with one of the requirements being more than 200 vehicles imported/sold. Hence why it contains the popular “grey imports” which have the numbers but aren’t automatically included because they weren’t sold here by the manufacturer (or their agent).
Minimum 200 sold as new, through a manufacturer’s dealer network.
Or
"Grey Import" available on a large scale and recognized by Cams, at it's SOLE discretion.
Just build the Cosmo Dave and it will get cleared into IP by necessity when it is seen and heard on the track :D :D :D
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by bdinnerv » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:28 pm

mikrace wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:33 am

That wouldn't help him run the v6 in the Mondeo, but if he has a built engine and really wants to use it, then maybe he could build a compliant chassis for the engine?
Why not - the rules allow for an engine swap from another eligible vehicle and the Mondeos sold enough volume to comply with other engines so you would have a compliant chassis with the desired V6 - just under the engine swap / weight restrictions.
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by TwinTurbo » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:12 pm

Just to clarify, the chassis has to have been available in sufficient numbers with that configuration of engine. A 4 cylinder of that model being available in sufficient numbers doesn't mean that the V6 version is automatically eligible ie; the V6 version has to also have been sold in sufficient numbers. Once that chassis is eligible with a V6 engine then it can be changed to any V6 from the same manufacturer.

From memory (very risky) there was a 1st Generation Mondeo (MK1) that went from 1993 to 1996 then it was facelifted (MK2) which went from 1996 to 2000. The 2nd Generation (MK3) went from 2000 to 2007.

Also from memory, the ST24 was a Gen 1 facilift (MK2), which (like the MK1) ran in Supertourers with a 2 litre version of the V6. I don't have my Group A homologation list with me, but a few Supertourers were Group A homologated. When I get home I'll check and see if the MK2 V6 Mondeo is on there.

Just to add further confusion, if that's possible, according to an old Ford car salesman friend of mine not all ST24's were sold as "ST24's", some were sold as "XR's". Which doesn't matter, as they are both V6 MK2 Mondeos.
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by mikrace » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:04 pm

bdinnerv wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:28 pm
mikrace wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:33 am

That wouldn't help him run the v6 in the Mondeo, but if he has a built engine and really wants to use it, then maybe he could build a compliant chassis for the engine?
Why not - the rules allow for an engine swap from another eligible vehicle and the Mondeos sold enough volume to comply with other engines so you would have a compliant chassis with the desired V6 - just under the engine swap / weight restrictions.
It doesnt work like that. If the i4 is the only engine type that is compliant, then only other compliant i4's can be transplanted in.

Gary's elaboration above should help explain it.
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by mtpanorama » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:38 pm

TwinTurbo wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:12 pm


Just to add further confusion, if that's possible, according to an old Ford car salesman friend of mine not all ST24's were sold as "ST24's", some were sold as "XR's". Which doesn't matter, as they are both V6 MK2 Mondeos.
XR (XR5 actually) badged Mondeos were turbo 5cyl (same engine as Focus) and were the later shape than the ST24.
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by TwinTurbo » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:17 pm

mtpanorama wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:38 pm
TwinTurbo wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:12 pm
Just to add further confusion, if that's possible, according to an old Ford car salesman friend of mine not all ST24's were sold as "ST24's", some were sold as "XR's". Which doesn't matter, as they are both V6 MK2 Mondeos.
XR (XR5 actually) badged Mondeos were turbo 5cyl (same engine as Focus) and were the later shape than the ST24.
They’re 2nd Generation (Mk3), a different chassis to the 1st Generation (Mk1 & Mk2).

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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by zossy1 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:35 pm

(Very) quick update on the 323...

1. Long engine together. Almost ready to drop in.
2. All cabin wiring done, including to ECU and PCM. Need to wire headlights, EWP, starter relay, then cable tie/tape the harness in some spots, and terminate engine harness once engine is in (and install all the sensors, etc). Then the wiring will be completely finished. Moristech P12 PCM is a definite winner.
3. Diff is done. Need to go and pick it up from Craft, then install seals and it can go in.
4. Have all the front end parts ready to go in with the front crossmember, which will all go in with the engine.
5. Dry sump infrastructure is done, and plumbing is done from the firewall backwards. Need to mount/install oil cooler and remote oil filter assembly, and then terminate lines to the pump and engine once engine is in.
6. Gearbox/tailshaft done. Need to install shifter once gearbox is in.
7. Intake/exhaust plumbing done.
8. Need to install EWP and plumb into the engine once engine is in. Also Water and oil lines to turbo.
9. Need to install seat harness and window net.
10. Need to terminate fuel system into and out of the fuel rail and FPR, once the engine is in the car.
11. Need to install boost controller and vac/boost lines.
12. Need to make rear caliper mounts.
13. Need to make and install flexible brake lines from engine bay firewall to front wheels, and from rear cabin area to diff and rear wheels.
14. Need to spec dampers, springs and sways, and install. Then alignment/corner weight, etc.. I think this is the last significant expense I have before car will be on track.
15. Lots and lots more of tiny, time-consuming jobs that I won’t remember until I get to that point... which is why this bloody build has taken so bloody long and cost so bloody much...

None of the jobs individually are overwhelming, but there are a lot of them.

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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by mikrace » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:57 pm

Quick update... lol
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by zossy1 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:20 pm

My draft Gantt Chart update <facepalm>

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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by bdinnerv » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:27 pm

zossy1 wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:20 pm
My draft Gantt Chart update <facepalm>
I am in a very similar position, not a lot of big jobs left, but still plenty of work, is touch and go if I am going to make it in time. . .
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by pete-rx7 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:52 pm

Appreciate the updates Chris, but surely you could have installed something in the time it took to type that "brief" update haha .
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by mikrace » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:56 pm

zossy1 wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:20 pm
My draft Gantt Chart update <facepalm>
Hope your tracking critical path and task lag mate :badgrin: :badgrin:

Also, it is a race car. Every single one of them cost too much and take too long to build!

Love your GIF of the lil' animal com in ng on boost off t6. I really hope we see the new owner have a steer this year. Be great to have a legend of the category back.
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by Sprintparts » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:07 pm

zossy1 wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:35 pm
(Very) quick update on the 323...

None of the jobs individually are overwhelming, but there are a lot of them.
Come on Chris, you only listed 15 items, 1 hour each, means only 2 days work and that includes a 1/2 hour lunch break each day. :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

Looking forward to seeing you competing at Round 1. :D :D :D
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by zossy1 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:04 pm

An all-day work training session seemed like too good an opportunity to pass up :)

Round 1 is a pipe dream. Round 2 perhaps...

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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by switch » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am

mikrace wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:38 am
Electro wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:32 pm
TwinTurbo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:35 am
The process for having a car added to “The List” is quite onerous with one of the requirements being more than 200 vehicles imported/sold. Hence why it contains the popular “grey imports” which have the numbers but aren’t automatically included because they weren’t sold here by the manufacturer (or their agent).
Minimum 200 sold as new, through a manufacturer’s dealer network.
Or
"Grey Import" available on a large scale and recognized by Cams, at it's SOLE discretion.
Just build the Cosmo Dave and it will get cleared into IP by necessity when it is seen and heard on the track :D :D :D
What ever happened to the Cosmo proposal? Wasn't there one being done in QLD?

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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by RoyBoy302 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:35 pm

switch wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:45 am
mikrace wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:38 am
Electro wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:32 pm
TwinTurbo wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:35 am
The process for having a car added to “The List” is quite onerous with one of the requirements being more than 200 vehicles imported/sold. Hence why it contains the popular “grey imports” which have the numbers but aren’t automatically included because they weren’t sold here by the manufacturer (or their agent).
Minimum 200 sold as new, through a manufacturer’s dealer network.
Or
"Grey Import" available on a large scale and recognized by Cams, at it's SOLE discretion.
Just build the Cosmo Dave and it will get cleared into IP by necessity when it is seen and heard on the track :D :D :D
What ever happened to the Cosmo proposal? Wasn't there one being done in QLD?
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Re: New cars for 2019

Post by zossy1 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:02 am

Update attached. Definitely beginning to get excited now. So many late nights... but progress is golden and keeps the motivation flowing ](*,)
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