Toyota 86 Parts - $150 the lot

[smitha]

Hi Guys,

I know this stuff is not motorsport related, but I was hoping that someone in the IPRA community might be able to benefit from this as they maybe own, or have a friend who owns, or someone in their family owns, a Toyota 86.

I have boxes of essentially new parts (only been on the car for months) that are taking up room in my spatially challenged garage that I am sure would come in handy for someone. I am sure I could sell each part individually on Ebay, but don't think I have the patience anymore for that.

So put the call out if anyone owns an 86, then this might interest you. Basically it consists of all the stuff you don't need in a race car. Even just the brake rotors and pads are going to come in handy at some stage I would imagine. There are many boxes of parts, I have listed some of them below, all of them are off a 2014 model Toyota 86 GT and are in excellent condition. Sorry, the seats and wheels are already sold.

Parts List:

Standard Front brake rotors x 2
Front brake pad set std toyota pads (new - will also fit a GTS model)
Standard Rear brake rotors x 2
Standard Rear Brake Calipers x 2
Rear Brake pad set std toyota pads (new)
Rear Brake pad set QFM race pads (few laps only)
Standard brake lines x 4
Interior Carpet set
Roof Lining
Air Conditioning Compressor Pump and lines
Air Conditioning Condensor
Airbags x 5 (complete set including steering wheel)
Standard Toyota 86 Steering wheel with cruise control lever
Lots of interior plastics
Seat Belts x 4
After market double DIN touch screen stereo
Speakers x 4
Sunvisors, cup holders, number plate mounts etc
Various undercar body protection panels
Much more general interior parts.......

$150 the lot or make me an offer.

Pickup from Caringbah

[switch]

Hey mate have you got any contact details? I can post it on the 86 club facebook page for you.

[smitha]

Sure. Will send all in a PM. Thanks for your help.

[Delboy]

Hi ....

If for any reason you find need for a heated screen ?
I have these in stock

Is this for IP your car or the 86 Series about to start ?

[smitha]

Great thanks, but probably won't be needed for a while. Good news for you is that there is a lot of these being built at the moment for various categories across the country. I will put the word out.

Would be great to log book it as IPRA !......... however it is not allowed as it is turbo charged.

[Delboy]

Hey ....

Great thanks, but probably won't be needed for a while. Good news for you is that there is a lot of these being built at the moment for various categories across the country. I will put the word out.

Would be great to log book it as IPRA !......... however it is not allowed as it is turbo charged.

Thanks
Chris Reves bought 4 for his stable of cars !
Sold a few already aprt from Chris, and off to the 6 hr to chat with others competing Sunday.

Oh and to watch the great fields race toooo
Hoping to catch up with Lummy as he's running the orange thingy in Regularity

[Adam_GC]

Hi Al,

Hope you're well bud.

Are you racing an 86? If so, what category?

[smitha]

Hey Adam,

Going great, thanks.

Not so much "racing" the 86 just yet, just having some fun at the moment at various events. I will log book it soon though, just not sure what category yet. IPRA would be good if they would let me......

They are amazing handling cars out of the box. The mid corner speed is simply astonishing Adding the cage, makes the can so dynamic and responsive and the turbo makes it a bit more fun. I could talk all day about them if anyone is interested.

Stupid cheap as well when you pick them up written off.

[Adam_GC]

Do you think they'd be competitive as an NA unders?

I saw one doing 1:10:1s at Wakefield in production touring trim/tyres.. Hard to find of the www what people are getting out of the NA power wise without stroking past 2L..

There's a couple floating around for super low 20ks at the moment. I was having a look into it out of curiosity while there's money in the bank lol I would be guessing 107s at Wakefield would be achievable with decent amount of power, weight and Ao50s. That's an absolute guess though

[smitha]

Wow, good question. I have next to zero experience with the Subaru powerplants so there are a lot of other people more qualified to comment on that one. I think people with more knowledge than myself have previously commented on this forum that good power from the NA FA20 may be a struggle. Having said that, I know of a few cars getting pretty good numbers with zero internal engine modifications and just ancillaries and factory ECU tuning. I am very curious to learn if anyone globally has had a real crack at building a proper NA motor for one.

The weight reduction alone is amazing. If someone wanted to have a serious go at building one from the ground up, you could make one very light for a modern car. I literally removed 100kgs from the car in around 2 hours. Even when you look at how it is built, most of the components are made light, control arms etc etc... When Mr Muir was welding in the cage, he even ended up using thicker tubing across the front hoops when he saw how thin the roof metal and supports were. Components for the car are great, literally click and it arrives on your doorstep and bolts on, that is very refreshing as others have mentioned on here. It is also cool that you can buy components direct from Toyota for many things. A great example is the A/C delete. Just order the A/C delete bracket and pulley from toyota and it bolts on. Brilliant ! Pretty amazing considering there was no model in Australia that was even released without A/C.

I bought my car with the turbo already fitted (Garrett 2871) which is pretty responsive. I have never actually driven a NA one, so I don't know how they go, but most people complain about the lack of power. The handling is their strength, they are simply amazing and very very neutral. I have driven a few different cars in my time, and the starting point on these things is already at a very high level.

I will shut up now....

[Adam_GC]

So what does yours weigh now roughly? All over the Internet people say how good the handling is but as you mention, complain about the lack of power. Seems to be the piston equivalent of the RX8..

HKS do a 320ps kit for the NA motor but as I mentioned, it's stroked. MRT do a rebuild option locally for about $7k that includes the usual pistons, cams etc but they don't quote power or torque figures. Might need to do more googling

Thanks for the info!

[smitha]

From memory mine is around the 1150 mark, but remember that is essentially a full road car (inc full exhaust) with just the basics removed and a turbo kit inc intercooler and full cage added as well.

At the time is was also with full air conditioning, climate control, massive stock battery, 4L of washer fluid, 3/4 tank of fuel, etc etc etc.... No weight reduction other than some of the interior removed (seats, airbags, seatbelts)

There is a tonne of potential to remove weight, which will be slowly happening over time. I want to use the car and enjoy it as we go.

It was also kinda cool sitting on the dummy grid on a hot day with the A/C on, and ice cold inside the car listening to the stereo. Very funny.

[TwinTurbo]

Is that 1150 kgs with driver or without?

Cheers
Gary

[smitha]

Without. I add a bit to that Gary...


Have seen build posts of people getting them under 1000kgs though... which is starting to get interesting..

[Adam_GC]

So Gary is there a minimum weight to an 86? From spending another hour or two on it today looking into what people are making NA, it was (painful sorting through all the forum arguments) 230-250rwhp would be expensive and I don't know if anyone locally has done it.

Would love to race one though....even without the a/c lol

[TwinTurbo]

Without. I add a bit to that Gary...
Have seen build posts of people getting them under 1000kgs though... which is starting to get interesting..

So that's 1230 kgs with an average 80 kgs driver. I seriously doubt that an IP legal 86 would get much under 1150 kgs and even that would be using a lot of expensive lightweight materials wherever the regs allow.

So Gary is there a minimum weight to an 86?

Not if it uses the original block and head castings. It would be irrelevant anyway as I very much doubt that a legal IP 86 could get to the weight limit of 1095 kgs (with driver).

From spending another hour or two on it today looking into what people are making NA, it was (painful sorting through all the forum arguments) 230-250rwhp would be expensive and I don't know if anyone locally has done it.

The dack dack plus water engines aren't renowned for their N/A horsepower output. At 2 litres I haven't seen one make 250 bhp at the engine, let alone @ the wheels. That's why nobody really bothers with N/A, the aftermarket / tuner kits are pretty much all forced induction for good reason.

Would love to race one though....even without the a/c lol

Personally I wouldn't bother, too heavy and not enough power, last time I checked they were smashed by 10 year old Honda Integra DC5's in Production Cars eg; 4 seconds a lap slower at Bathurst.


Cheers
Gary

[smitha]

So that's 1230 kgs with an average 80 kgs driver. I seriously doubt that an IP legal 86 would get much under 1150 kgs and even that would be using a lot of expensive lightweight materials wherever the regs allow.

Assume you mean 1150 including driver there Gary ? As I reckon you can easily get one under 1100 car only.

The dack dack plus water engines aren't renowned for their N/A horsepower output. At 2 litres I haven't seen one make 250 bhp at the engine, let alone @ the wheels. That's why nobody really bothers with N/A, the aftermarket / tuner kits are pretty much all forced induction for good reason.

This is a genuine question. Is there any reason why someone couldn't get the HP out of it if they tried in NA ? I mean it seems to have reasonable ingredients ie VVT, direct injection etc.. Or are we just saying it would not be cost effective to do so ?

BTW, If all else fails, there are some great kits now for LS1 conversions if you want to stay NA... just sayin..

[TwinTurbo]

So that's 1230 kgs with an average 80 kgs driver. I seriously doubt that an IP legal 86 would get much under 1150 kgs and even that would be using a lot of expensive lightweight materials wherever the regs allow.

Assume you mean 1150 including driver there Gary ? As I reckon you can easily get one under 1100 car only.

Yep, 1150 kgs with driver and that wouldn't be easy to achieve. Even that is 105 kgs over the weight limit for the common FWD U2L cars.

The dack dack plus water engines aren't renowned for their N/A horsepower output. At 2 litres I haven't seen one make 250 bhp at the engine, let alone @ the wheels. That's why nobody really bothers with N/A, the aftermarket / tuner kits are pretty much all forced induction for good reason.

This is a genuine question. Is there any reason why someone couldn't get the HP out of it if they tried in NA ? I mean it seems to have reasonable ingredients ie VVT, direct injection etc.. Or are we just saying it would not be cost effective to do so ?BTW, If all else fails, there are some great kits now for LS1 conversions if you want to stay NA... just sayin..

They have always had poor airflow into and out of the engine, the castings are so thin that there's not a lot of room for porting and the valve sizes are limited. They have a big end oiling issue at the high rpm necessary for a decent U2L N/A. The FA20 has thinner main and big end bearings than the EJ20. The rod stroke ratio is apparently pretty terrible, rumoured to be less than 1.5 to 1. So whilst some of the issues can be overcome by spending $big, there are some that are locked in as there is no equivalent dack dack Toyota engine to choose. If it was a Subaru BRZ then an EJ20 could be used, it would activate the weight limit of course, but that's irrelevant.

So 105 kgs weight handicap plus about 30 bhp short makes them not very competitive. We seriously looked at one to replace Justin's Sprinter, but it just didn't add up, and he's a Toyota fanboy

Cheers
Gary

[mtpanorama]

The quickest lap on sunday in the 6hr from a proddy spec 86 was a 2:42:3 . They were seeing about 205km/h on conrod.

[TwinTurbo]

The quickest lap on sunday in the 6hr from a proddy spec 86 was a 2:42:3 . They were seeing about 205km/h on conrod.

205 kph is very slow
That's like 30 kph slower than a DC5 proddy spec

Cheers
Gary